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Evasion Twenty · Jul 26, 2009, 11:03 PM // 23:03

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Originally Posted by Eliz Genevieve

the bone sample is one of the Giganticus Lupicus remnants, fossils, whatevers.

Nop, the last tid-bit wasn't directed to you, sorry for the confusion, just something that came up :P

It's fine, was just in the same Paragraph, so I thought, "Hey! He's talkin to me!"

Konig Des Todes · Jul 27, 2009, 12:25 AM // 00:25

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Originally Posted by Thalador Doomspeaker

If 'Malchor' is the Undead Dragon who has the power to create hordes undeads without the deterioration of the normal minions, why doesn't he use his necromantic powers to bend Palawa Joko to his will? I've read something about the undeads here, in the forum. If I'm correct then it was Konig's post (while he was Azazel The Assassin) and there was a theory, that the Undead Dragon was responsible for several necromantic events in Orr.

There's two threads on undead I made - one dealing with the undead. It can be found in the Archives, I'll just summarize the portion Thalador means:

I brought up the fact which Leon stated:

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Also, about Malchor, we still don't even know if he or she was undead prior to the Cataclysm, or if it is due to the Cataclysm that it is now undead.

I also went on the theorize two possibilities for the creation of liches. The first (and more likely) would be that one needs very powerful magic and multiple schools. For instance: Khilbron=Cataclysm, Joko=Scarab Plague (I put my explainations for the later in that the Scarab Plague was caused by Aggression and Preservation schools at high amounts). Where Zoldark falls into this is unknown, as no event exists around Kryta or north of Kryta which was catastrophic. To explain this, I also noted how unlike Joko and Khilbron, Zoldark could die by normal means - thus stating he was not a "true lich" like Joko and Khilbron.

This theory also indirectly goes with the Cataclysm being why the Orrian Dragon is undead.

The second theory claims that "Malchor" was the force behind the necrotic traits of the Cataclysm and that Khilbron tapped into "Malchor's" power much like how Svannir did. I also went to state that due to Joko's unknown history as a human, he could have been Orrian and have done the same, but without causing a catastrophic event. The same goes for Zoldark (afterall, Zoldark is one of the few undead in that dungeon which has Orrian undead skins).

As for why "Malchor" doesn't just take control of Joko, I doubt Joko is on the front lines, same with Malchor. So it would be Draconic undead soldiers fighting Mummified undead soldiers. No force to take control of the other side's forces since it would roughly be a stalemate by the wording of the Movement.

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Originally Posted by Thalador Doomspeaker

It seems that the Ancient Dragons are older than the Giganticus Lupicus

I read that line as a way of saying "they are older than the time we have for the Giganticus Lupicus." In other words, they are older than roughly 12,000 years. I don't think it means they are older than the Giganticus Lupicus, but instead hints at the Giganticus Lupicus being older than suspected.

I personally think the Ancient Dragons are forms of Giganticus Lupicus. We already know of at least two different types of Giganticus Lupicus - one that bore tusks and one who's head was slimmer and longer (similar to a snake or fish) than the other. There are bound to be more and the Giganticus Lupicus name is similar to the term "Dinosaur" which is a term for a bunch of *normally large* pre-historic creatures that no longer exist.

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Originally Posted by Free Runner

The only forces the Undead Dragon "bends to its will" are those who are killed - and then brought back up into its service and those who are directly hit by its breath.

Nothing says death has to occur.

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Originally Posted by Free Runner

Also i doubt they (Jokos forces and the Undead Dragons forces) are fighting to see whos stronger. Joko no doubt spread his forces futher into the desert and came across the Undead Armarda, who apparantly attack anything that comes near them. And Joko, being stubborn probably decided to keep on fighting them - the dragon probably doesnt know or care who Joko is anyway.

I would have to agree with this.

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Originally Posted by Mister_Smiley

is it possible that Joko used Staff of the Mists to become what he is now.

It is possible, but of what little we know, it would be unlikely. For what we know on liches, it's that one has an unknown backround with possible link to either Orr or the Scarab Plague, and we know that Khilbron was turned into a Lich during the Cataclysm (or before). We also know the Staff of the Mists twists the physical world on the user's will just as the Scepter of Orr twists the spiritual world on the user's will. So, again while not likely, it is possible.

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Originally Posted by Evasion Twenty

I cant understand what the bone sample is. It looks like a hip to me, am I right?

Skull.

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Originally Posted by Evasion Twenty

It's fine, was just in the same Paragraph, so I thought, "Hey! He's talkin to me!"

She.

Eliz Genevieve · Jul 27, 2009, 12:35 AM // 00:35

Uho, you noted the he/she mistake before I did o.o

Yeah, I'm a she.

draxynnic · Jul 27, 2009, 02:05 AM // 02:05

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Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes

I personally think the Ancient Dragons are forms of Giganticus Lupicus. We already know of at least two different types of Giganticus Lupicus - one that bore tusks and one who's head was slimmer and longer (similar to a snake or fish) than the other. There are bound to be more and the Giganticus Lupicus name is similar to the term "Dinosaur" which is a term for a bunch of *normally large* pre-historic creatures that no longer exist.

The thought strikes me that if Malchor does have the ability to raise long-dead creatures, this might explain the undead draconic troops - they might not actually have been transformed by Malchor, but Malchor might be raising any Giganticus Lupus remains it finds within its territory - which the ignorant regard as 'draconic' partially because of the similarities between the GL and the ADs, and partially simply because they're under Malchor's control.

A possible reason for this behaviour is simply nostalgia - Malchor is repopulating its territory with creatures it remembers from before its hibernation. (Never mind tyhat they're technically dead. No one said that the ADs, collectively or as individuals, all have to be sane - and this goes especially for Malchor if it did go into hibernation a living dragon and woke up as a skeleton due to the Cataclysm.)

Evasion Twenty · Jul 27, 2009, 04:09 AM // 04:09

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Originally Posted by Eliz Genevieve

Uho, you noted the he/she mistake before I did o.o

Yeah, I'm a she.

Woops. Sorry

It's just automaticly "he" when I talk because I'm a guy, I just assume it unless it's obviously one or the other. You know

Konig Des Todes · Jul 27, 2009, 04:12 AM // 04:12

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Originally Posted by draxynnic

The thought strikes me that if Malchor does have the ability to raise long-dead creatures, this might explain the undead draconic troops - they might not actually have been transformed by Malchor, but Malchor might be raising any Giganticus Lupus remains it finds within its territory - which the ignorant regard as 'draconic' partially because of the similarities between the GL and the ADs, and partially simply because they're under Malchor's control.

A possible reason for this behaviour is simply nostalgia - Malchor is repopulating its territory with creatures it remembers from before its hibernation. (Never mind tyhat they're technically dead. No one said that the ADs, collectively or as individuals, all have to be sane - and this goes especially for Malchor if it did go into hibernation a living dragon and woke up as a skeleton due to the Cataclysm.)

I suppose "draconian troops" could mean dragon-like creatures and not creatures (such as humans) with draconian attributes (think the Lich - rather draconian in look).

Thalador Doomspeaker · Jul 27, 2009, 11:02 AM // 11:02

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what's the deal with your thoughts about the GL/dragon relationship?
Nothing in tMotW states that there was a connection there. They only say the Dragons are older than the GL, nothing that would imply that imo.

I can answer with my previous quotation - from TMotW - and post:

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The cycle of their awakening reaches back to the time of the giganticus lupicus, and even further, back into prehistory. The only thing known about these monsters is that they have no pity, no curiosity—no concern at all for the other races of the world. Their only goal seems to be to dominate, to control, and to destroy.

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B) The Giganticus Lupicus were the creations of previous gods/deities. The Dragons awoke and slew the true giants. After this they started hibernating again.

It's obvious that they've awaken minimum once in the history of Tyria.
And it is more or less obvious that they were the murderers of the Giganticus Lupicus.

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Although the cause of their extinction has not been confirmed, The Movement of the World implies that it may have been caused by the Ancient Dragons.

This quotation is from the Official GW Wiki in the GL article. Of course, there's no evidence again, to confirm my theory, but...

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these horrors are controlled by no god nor any other power known to the races of Tyria.

It can be proved with common sense that they differ from the Giganticus Lupicus.

1.) If they would be some form of each other, than they would possess roughly the same powers. So, if they went to hibernate together, and the Giganticus Lupicus died because of (?)weakness(?), then the Ancient Dragons would be dead by now too.

2.) And their goal is to dominate, to control and to destroy everyone who would oppose them. If they've awaken when the GL inhabitated Tyria, then they could've seen a potential threat to themselves and to their powers. They've killed the giants and when there was nothing left to dominate, they started hibernating again.

Although there's one possible explanation which can prove me wrong:

1./a They are some form of each other, but the Ancient Dragons became corrupted, twisted and killed their brothers to control more lands.

And I need a little help again. :P
I'm a little bit new to posting and I don't know how to indicate whose post I've quoted. Help is appreciated. Thanks.

Free Runner · Jul 27, 2009, 12:48 PM // 12:48

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Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes

Nothing says death has to occur.

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Originally Posted by MotW

Drowned by magic and then raised into service by the will of a monster so terrible there are only whispers of its nature, they now serve a dragon more horrible and more powerful than any other being in Tyria

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Originally Posted by MotW

Any ships venturing near the Strait of Malchor are sunk by the black ships, then dredged from the ocean floor by the Orrian dragon and commandeered into service.

I'm not sure about you but being taken down by a group of black ships full of undead, sank and then puilled back up from the ocean floor later, is a pretty good feat to survive.

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Originally Posted by draxynnic

The thought strikes me that if Malchor does have the ability to raise long-dead creatures, this might explain the undead draconic troops - they might not actually have been transformed by Malchor, but Malchor might be raising any Giganticus Lupus remains it finds within its territory - which the ignorant regard as 'draconic' partially because of the similarities between the GL and the ADs, and partially simply because they're under Malchor's control.

These troops are supposed to be manning the towers of Arah. It would have to be a group of huge towers for a GL to be sitting upon it.

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Originally Posted by Thalador Doomspeaker

It's obvious that they've awaken minimum once in the history of Tyria.And it is more or less obvious that they were the murderers of the Giganticus Lupicus.

No it really isnt. That seems like quite a stretch considering they have been mentioned, what? two or three times in the past?

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Originally Posted by MotW

The cycle of their awakening reaches back to the time of the giganticus lupicus, and even further, back into prehistory.

Seems to me the MotW isnt saying they were around at the time when the GL were. But its using the GL, the only thing we know to have existed that far back, as a point to show just how old these dragons are. And it even goes on to say they actually go further back, meaning they were probably asleep when the GL roamed Tyria.

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Originally Posted by Thalador Doomspeaker

And I need a little help again. :P
I'm a little bit new to posting and I don't know how to indicate whose post I've quoted. Help is appreciated. Thanks.

Where the first [QUOTE] tag is place = and then the name of the person or thing your quoting within the tag. For example [QUOTE=Thalador Doomspeaker]

Winnies Bro · Jul 27, 2009, 12:53 PM // 12:53

I doubt grothmar is the desert dragon, the picture shows a creature with boats around it.
The dragon is much, much, much, much larger than the boats. I know grothmar is big but, not THAT big. And the thing that says, "erupted from the northern mountains"... i doubt that grothmar really, 'erupts' or is in any northern mountains.

Thalador Doomspeaker · Jul 27, 2009, 02:20 PM // 14:20

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Originally Posted by Free Runner

No it really isnt. That seems like quite a stretch considering they have been mentioned, what? two or three times in the past?

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Seems to me the MotW isnt saying they were around at the time when the GL were. But its using the GL, the only thing we know to have existed that far back, as a point to show just how old these dragons are. And it even goes on to say they actually go further back, meaning they were probably asleep when the GL roamed Tyria.

Yes, I admit that it's a little bit stretching, but it's a speculation. And while it estimates the age of the Dragons it doesn't expel the fact, that they are the murderers. Although it's possible that "it's using the GL as a point to show their age".

And we must not forget, that there have been no other explanations for the Ture Giants' extinction. I would bet that it's a hint that the ADs are their demise.

Gmr Leon · Jul 27, 2009, 03:05 PM // 15:05

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Originally Posted by Thalador Doomspeaker

Yes, I admit that it's a little bit stretching, but it's a speculation. And while it estimates the age of the Dragons it doesn't expel the fact, that they are the murderers.

Just because they may have killed them does not make them murderers, in my opinion. It's like saying you murdered a dog, just sounds odd. You murder a fellow of your species, you kill/slaughter those of another species. But, eh, just nitpicking.

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Originally Posted by Thalador Doomspeaker

And we must not forget, that there have been no other explanations for the Ture Giants' extinction. I would bet that it's a hint that the ADs are their demise.

The Ancient Dragons are as likely to have killed the Giganticus Lupicus as the Old Gods, if you ask me. Technically, both reach back into prehistory, given the cycle of the Gods to be killed and replaced over time.

Evasion Twenty · Jul 27, 2009, 03:13 PM // 15:13

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Originally Posted by Free Runner

Hi

What do the numbers do after the semi-colon? I'll post a screenie.

Free Runner · Jul 27, 2009, 04:05 PM // 16:05

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Originally Posted by Evasion Twenty

What do the numbers do after the semi-colon? I'll post a screenie.

While i'm not sure about the exact works of the forum i would guess the numbers are the post ID. Its automatic when you quote - you dont need to enter them to quote.

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Originally Posted by Winnies Bro

I doubt grothmar is the desert dragon, the picture shows a creature with boats around it.
The dragon is much, much, much, much larger than the boats. I know grothmar is big but, not THAT big. And the thing that says, "erupted from the northern mountains"... i doubt that grothmar really, 'erupts' or is in any northern mountains.

Concept Art. There is art that shows the dragon of Grothmar Wardowns in Drakkar Lake while the picture explains the situation of the Drakkar Lake dragon. It is not accurate and does not reflect how it is in the game.

And the MotW mentions all three of the visible dragons - there is no doubt that the Grothmar dragon is the dragon that emerges from the northen mountains - because technically it could be considered to being in the northen mountains and it is the only dragon north of Ascalon.

If its the desert dragon or not remains to be seen. One thing to be noted is that the MotW explains how each dragon emerged except for the desert dragon - only saying that that it is in the northen desert. Which could be saying it didnt actually emerge from there and is indeed one of the previously mentioned dragons.

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Originally Posted by Thalador Doomspeaker

Yes, I admit that it's a little bit stretching, but it's a speculation. And while it estimates the age of the Dragons it doesn't expel the fact, that they are the murderers. Although it's possible that "it's using the GL as a point to show their age".

Okay but in your post here you say its speculation (and thats okay) but then say its a fact they are the murderers

But GmrLeon put it best - the gods are as likely to have killed the Giganticus Lupicus as the ancient dragons. Just because they extend that far back doesnt mean they are the reason for the GL disappearence.

So many reasons could be put fourth - the Ancient Dragons could be the GL, the GL could of been taken out by the gods, the GL could of simply died off. They really are irrelevant at the moment because to put it bluntly, they are very minor. And theres too little information on them.

Anyway this thread was supposed to be talking about the situation between the three forces in the Crystal Desert

Eliz Genevieve · Jul 27, 2009, 07:49 PM // 19:49

Whilst we have no confirmation for it, I think a great part of us agrees that the MotW implies that Grothmar is the Desert Dragon.
As Runner said, the Movement explains the awakening of every dragon(uhm, if I recall, they don't explain Drakkar either), and they are at least mention 2 times along the Movement, while the Desert Dragon and Grothmar (if they are, indeed, two separate entities) are only mentioned one.

And the MotW says the Northern Mountains Dragon flew over Ascalon, I doubt he would stick around in the Blazeridge Mountains or that greenie area before the Desert.

My question is, how can Grothmar and Malchor exist too closer to eachother if they are aggressive to one another?

Mordakai · Jul 27, 2009, 08:17 PM // 20:17

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Originally Posted by Eliz Genevieve

Whilst we have no confirmation for it, I think a great part of us agrees that the MotW implies that Grothmar is the Desert Dragon.
As Runner said, the Movement explains the awakening of every dragon(uhm, if I recall, they don't explain Drakkar either),

They mention a dragon of ice and snow that drives the Norn south into the old Dwarven lands, which many assume could be the "Drakkar" Dragon.

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Originally Posted by Eliz Genevieve

and they are at least mention 2 times along the Movement, while the Desert Dragon and Grothmar (if they are, indeed, two separate entities) are only mentioned one.

Rather than counting the number of times dragons are listed, it might be more useful to see how they are listed.

In the section entitled "Dragons" in MotW, it lists 4 Dragons:

1. Primordus (who stays underground?)

2. the Orrian or "Malchor" Dragon (whose army is in Northern Elona, while it is stationed at Orr as "to adventure there is to face the dragon and its minions directly".)

3. The deep water dragon (unknown location)

4. The Charr homeland or "Grothmar" dragon (flew over Charr Ascalon territory, possibly now in Desert)

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Originally Posted by Eliz Genevieve

My question is, how can Grothmar and Malchor exist too closer to eachother if they are aggressive to one another?

Who says they are? Anyway, the Dragons don't have to be near each other, with one Dragon in Orr, the other possibly in the Desert (or possibly not).

Eliz Genevieve · Jul 27, 2009, 08:53 PM // 20:53

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

They mention a dragon of ice and snow that drives the Norn south into the old Dwarven lands, which many assume could be the "Drakkar" Dragon.

I know they mention Drakkar. They just don't mention 'how' he surfaced from the lake, or if he surfaced from a lake at all, if one didn't play EotN, he wouldn't know.

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

Rather than counting the number of times dragons are listed, it might be more useful to see how they are listed.

In the section entitled "Dragons" in MotW, it lists 4 Dragons:

1. Primordus (who stays underground?)

2. the Orrian or "Malchor" Dragon (whose army is in Northern Elona, while it is stationed at Orr as "to adventure there is to face the dragon and its minions directly".)

3. The deep water dragon (unknown location)

4. The Charr homeland or "Grothmar" dragon (flew over Charr Ascalon territory, possibly now in Desert)

Yup, Primordus dwells in the Depths.

And Malchor is not in Northern Elona, you didn't read the whole thread did you? Konig explained it, and we got maps and all *community made*.

Malchor is situated east, near the Orrian Peninsula, from where he surfaced, aswell as his army.

Northern Desert is occupied by Grothmar, or by the Desert Dragon, whichever you prefer.

Southern Desert is occupied by Joko, my bet is that he went there in search of the Ossa descendants.

Mordakai · Jul 27, 2009, 09:24 PM // 21:24

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Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes

For the last sentence, one could consider some if not all of the Crystal Desert (not including the Desolation which is a sub-region of the Crystal Desert) part of Elona. Much like Europe and Asia, Tyria and Elona has a sketchy boarder and can be considered names of two portions of one super-continent. Due to such, the "northern Elonian border" could cut in the middle of the Tyrian Crystal Desert by technical standing.

A map I just made to show my opinion on the spheres of influence in the Crystal Desert.

Green=Desert Dragon
Blue=Orrian Dragon
Red=Joko

Boarders are just rough estimations of what I picture the control being.

It could, or it could just be that the one line about the "desert dragon" is written poorly: ".... although crossing the Crystal Desert is currently impossible due to Palawa's stranglehold over the southern reaches and the desert dragon's presence in the northern desert."

So, we know that the Orrian (Malchor) Dragon "wages war even now along the northern Elonian border, preventing all in Tyria from departing for other lands... for now."

Is it possible they are the same dragon? That there is no "desert dragon" per se, and it's just repeating what we already know about the Malchor Dragon's army? ("Desert dragon's presence" could just mean its army, not necessarily the dragon itself!) This does raise the question why the author did not write "Orrian Dragon's presence"....

And, if so, then where is the Grothmar Dragon? Still in Ascalon territory?

It's too little information for me to come to any conclusions, but I am not convinced there are 2 dragon armies in the desert (although I agree it's possible).

EDIT: I was totally wrong, everyone else was right!

Konig and Free Runner found the text:

"Originally Posted by Movement of the World
Charr warbands strike out from these safe havens to defend their territories, battling the shades of Ascalonian warriors, the twisted servants of the desert dragon, and the horrifying beasts that come up from beneath the ground throughout Ascalon and the Shiverpeaks."

This confirms that the desert dragon is indeed Grothmar, and it too has servants.

Eliz Genevieve · Jul 27, 2009, 09:41 PM // 21:41

That was one of my fist possibilities. That Malchor and the Desert Dragon were the same entity. But then I re-read it again, and it clearly states that Grothmar flew over Ascalon.

And Malchor is never enunciated as a 'Desert Dragon', what strengthens the idea that there are two Ancient Dragons in the Crystal Desert.

Konig Des Todes · Jul 27, 2009, 10:20 PM // 22:20

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Originally Posted by Thalador Doomspeaker

It's obvious that they've awaken minimum once in the history of Tyria.
And it is more or less obvious that they were the murderers of the Giganticus Lupicus.

Nothing says they killed the GL. Like I said before, we don't know the true nature of the Ancient Dragons. We just know that they are viewed as what you quoted.

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Originally Posted by Thalador Doomspeaker

This quotation is from the Official GW Wiki in the GL article. Of course, there's no evidence again, to confirm my theory, but...

That was recently added by Gordon Ecker for the same reason you just supported what you said above. I disagree with it and it is only a theory not fact. That line does not help your own theory as it is just the same thing.

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Originally Posted by Thalador Doomspeaker

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these horrors are controlled by no god nor any other power known to the races of Tyria.

Nothing says the Giganticus Lupicus were controlled by the gods.

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Originally Posted by Thalador Doomspeaker

1.) If they would be some form of each other, than they would possess roughly the same powers. So, if they went to hibernate together, and the Giganticus Lupicus died because of (?)weakness(?), then the Ancient Dragons would be dead by now too.

Wrong. The Ancient Dragons could be the "powerful" or "chosen" Giganticus Lupicus. Think of how our characters survive almost every battle while NPCs die from the most simple fights. If the Giganticus Lupicus that are dead are weaker forms of the Ancient Dragons, then it is possible the Ancient Dragons survived.

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Originally Posted by Thalador Doomspeaker

2.) And their goal is to dominate, to control and to destroy everyone who would oppose them. If they've awaken when the GL inhabitated Tyria, then they could've seen a potential threat to themselves and to their powers. They've killed the giants and when there was nothing left to dominate, they started hibernating again.

Again, that is what their goal is viewed to be due to their actions. It is unconfirmed and subject to change as this is just pre-beta information. How much information has changed in GW1 since beta alone? Too much.

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Originally Posted by Thalador Doomspeaker

Although there's one possible explanation which can prove me wrong:

1./a They are some form of each other, but the Ancient Dragons became corrupted, twisted and killed their brothers to control more lands.

That is also possible, but there is more than one as I just posted two: That the dead GL are weaker than the AD and thus died while the AD survived and that we don't know the true nature of the AD so it doesn't mean that, while they lived during the same time at least at one point, the AD killed off the GL.

And a previous point I said earlier on the "into pre-history" for when the AD lived: Doesn't mean they lived before the GL, but could also mean the GL lived longer than we think, as 10,000 BE is a rough estimate of the GL's general existence.

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Originally Posted by Free Runner

I'm not sure about you but being taken down by a group of black ships full of undead, sank and then puilled back up from the ocean floor later, is a pretty good feat to survive.

Possible to survive that, but I was more pointing to the Corsair themselves. Nothing said that they died. Just that their ships were wrecked due to residing on water which then rose. I'm sure at least some of the Corsairs lived their ship going onto land due to the dragon's awakening. Since it never says that the victims must die, it means there is a possibility that they don't have to.

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Originally Posted by Free Runner

These troops are supposed to be manning the towers of Arah. It would have to be a group of huge towers for a GL to be sitting upon it.

There would also be human-sized troops, assuming some GL that were in the area are brought back as skeletons, it could be those former corsair and sailors which are manning the towers.

No one said all the troops were former GL.

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Originally Posted by Free Runner

No it really isnt. That seems like quite a stretch considering they have been mentioned, what? two or three times in the past?

Seems to me the MotW isnt saying they were around at the time when the GL were. But its using the GL, the only thing we know to have existed that far back, as a point to show just how old these dragons are. And it even goes on to say they actually go further back, meaning they were probably asleep when the GL roamed Tyria.

That is another possibility.

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Originally Posted by Winnies Bro

I doubt grothmar is the desert dragon, the picture shows a creature with boats around it.
The dragon is much, much, much, much larger than the boats. I know grothmar is big but, not THAT big. And the thing that says, "erupted from the northern mountains"... i doubt that grothmar really, 'erupts' or is in any northern mountains.

Two words: Concept Art. Concept art is hardly, if ever, the same as what appears in game. As for the Northern Mountains. I shall just quote myself from the AD thread:

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it could be that the Charr Homelands is on the other side of Mountains (kind of does look like some mountains south of Grothmar, in my opinion) and that to the human settlement, it is not in, but past the Northern Mountains. Or it could be a misplacement/bad wording/bad communication between Anet staff. Or it could be that they intend to move Grothmar north for GW2.

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Originally Posted by Evasion Twenty

What do the numbers do after the semi-colon? I'll post a screenie.

While i'm not sure about the exact works of the forum i would guess the numbers are the post ID. Its automatic when you quote - you dont need to enter them to quote.

That is correct.

Free Runner · Jul 27, 2009, 10:57 PM // 22:57

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Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes

Possible to survive that, but I was more pointing to the Corsair themselves. Nothing said that they died. Just that their ships were wrecked due to residing on water which then rose. I'm sure at least some of the Corsairs lived their ship going onto land due to the dragon's awakening. Since it never says that the victims must die, it means there is a possibility that they don't have to.

Erm...

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Originally Posted by Myself

The only forces the Undead Dragon "bends to its will" are those who are killed - and then brought back up into its service and those who are directly hit by its breath.

I never said the Corsairs near Orr were killed. They were the ones who were directly twisted by its breath. I was talking about those who are attacked and sunk by the Black Ships of the Undead Dragon and are then brought back up (which i very much doubt would survive unless the Undead actually capture them before they sink their ships, something which seems rather pointless since its just going to be brought back up anyway...)